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Kuldebar Valiturus · Feb 27, 2007, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

His article is in no way helpful tot he community, nor does it reflect anything to do with the game...

As has been said above, it blatantly refers to the PvE population as being a bunch of noobs and although there is indeed a large population of idiots in the Guild Wars community, blatantly outing them like that on the Guild wars main website is the most callous and stupid thing i have ever seen!

Your way off on your characterizations of the article.

As long as you are so willing to find insult where none was given, it's unlikely any discussion can have a positive effect. It is your statement alone that paints a "large" portion of the Guild Wars community as "idiots", something Adam's article clearly did not do.

Hypocrisy is fun, but it can't handle looking at itself in the mirror.

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

EDIT ~ besides, you obviously didn't see the humorous side of my post and for that I pity you for taking it seriously

besides, how many times have you seen a warrior using mending to counteract a vampiric weapon? quite a lot actually and its just stupid!

So, you are just piling on for the entertainment value? I thought as much, you have only confirmed it.

HalPlantagenet · Feb 27, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

I find it interesting that for almost every profession there are a small number (some times only 1) skills the value of which are constantly debated at varying levels of wit and competency. Barrage, Energy Surge, Mending, etc. come to mind. IMHO, they're usually skills that are useful in some circumstances but not extraordinary, yet they receive an inordinate share of attention from the posting community and provoke extreme opinions.

Kos Luftar · Feb 27, 2007, 02:30 PM // 14:30

I actuly used to use Watchful Spirit to counter the Poison I got from the spiders in FOW beach when I used to do FoW runs. Haven't done that since about Factions released.

wynoski · Feb 27, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37

ah...the elitism...ah the PVE vs. PvP flame wars...Its nice to see that someone got their "Wiki builds are crap" dig in there...

So to the scoffers, the elitists...why is mending so bad? So strip enchant is out there...most PVE mobs have one or two enchant removal people, if they strip it, I go find the monster, kill them and reapply mending...(not really, I don't use it)

For PVP...my experience is mostly FA and AB...Enchants can hurt there, but its a gamble that somone on the other side is not going to have enchant removal...even then, the enchant removal usually has a long recharge. but to the authors point, it is a skill MORE suited to PVE than PVP.

As for Wiki builds...yes they are mainstream, yes they have their weaknesses, yes I run builds that have been flamed by Wiki, BUT, Wiki builds are useful...How?...Why? I like reading and using wiki builds ESPECIALLY the unfavored builds. I like reading the thought process of the author and then trying to derive my own build.

The Wiki builds (and campfire builds) introduced me to proper skill selection adn got me thinking beyond...I did not like blood magic because as a noob, I did not understand health sacrifice...Wiki changed, so Wiki is not gospel, but the builds have a solid purpose.

KANE OG · Feb 27, 2007, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Like it? Use it! Get flamed....

Don't like it? Don't use it! Get flamed...

Move on.

There! Everyone's happy, even the flamers.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Feb 27, 2007, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by wynoski

ah...the elitism...ah the PVE vs. PvP flame wars...Its nice to see that someone got their "Wiki builds are crap" dig in there...

So to the scoffers, the elitists...why is mending so bad? So strip enchant is out there...most PVE mobs have one or two enchant removal people, if they strip it, I go find the monster, kill them and reapply mending...(not really, I don't use it)

For PVP...my experience is mostly FA and AB...Enchants can hurt there, but its a gamble that somone on the other side is not going to have enchant removal...even then, the enchant removal usually has a long recharge. but to the authors point, it is a skill MORE suited to PVE than PVP.

As for Wiki builds...yes they are mainstream, yes they have their weaknesses, yes I run builds that have been flamed by Wiki, BUT, Wiki builds are useful...How?...Why? I like reading and using wiki builds ESPECIALLY the unfavored builds. I like reading the thought process of the author and then trying to derive my own build.

The Wiki builds (and campfire builds) introduced me to proper skill selection adn got me thinking beyond...I did not like blood magic because as a noob, I did not understand health sacrifice...Wiki changed, so Wiki is not gospel, but the builds have a solid purpose.

You are being entirely too reasonable, Wynoski.

Please edit your post and make it contain unwavering hatred of all things ANet and complete and utter derision for people that don't know everything there is to know about Guild Wars and the entire holographic universe.

Rene Saliere · Feb 27, 2007, 03:00 PM // 15:00

Adam Sunstrom is never going to make the transition to Post Searing with those PvE builds of his though.

wynoski · Feb 27, 2007, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus

You are being entirely too reasonable, Wynoski.

Please edit your post and make it contain unwavering hatred of all things ANet and complete and utter derision for people that don't know everything there is to know about Guild Wars and the entire holographic universe.

my bad...how's this

STFU all you mending losers...don't try to get in my group you echo mending using uber-noob!!! Grrr

*** (sarcasm) I use my own special build that lets me win DOA solo while going AFK and turnign the computer off...the rest of you are all noobs

***What we are in PVP and you are using MENDING!!!! NOOB, I will RAGE QUIT in protest and spam noob!!!

BTW, I can't sahre my extra special builds because you would not understand them you are soo noobish.

How's that? Better? In all honesty, that hurt to write...the GW community becomes stronger by helping and teaching the noobs...Who knows..help that noob, and in a few weeks he may come up with a build or an approach that pwns you...now you can no longer sit in LA or TA and spam "I'm Bored"

Lonesamurai · Feb 27, 2007, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus

Your way off on your characterizations of the article.

As long as you are so willing to find insult where none was given, it's unlikely any discussion can have a positive effect. It is your statement alone that paints a "large" portion of the Guild Wars community as "idiots", something Adam's article clearly did not do.

Hypocrisy is fun, but it can't handle looking at itself in the mirror.

So, you are just piling on for the entertainment value? I thought as much, you have only confirmed it.

No, you miss the point, completely in fact...

My characterizations are based on nearly 2 and a half years of playing experience, along with the fact that there is no actually information in that article to back up what he's saying, just base statements:

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Originally Posted by Adam Sunstrom

Mending – Hailed by many PvErs as the most useful skill in the game, it provides a constant, accessible, and fairly cheap source of healing. However, it has no place in PvP competition, and is actually a long-standing joke in the PvP community.

Not that its a Long standing joke, players who use it and for the reasons they use it are the joke

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Originally Posted by Adam Sunstrom

Rebirth – Players aren't dumb

yes, most are until taught, sorry, i know the truth hurts, but on that phylosophy alone i've built a very strong guild

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Originally Posted by Adam Sunstrom

Illusionary Weaponry – While not a completely useless skill, it is mediocre at best yet very popular amongst beginners.

isn't used by ANY beginners at all as its so hidden away for skill capping that many don't even find it until they look it up on the wiki or they are told by a guildie, not even taking into fact that it has some excelent uses both in PvE and PvP

I'm not gonna bother with anymore, but my point is, that with these "claims", i want to see figures and FACTS, as talking to players who actually play every aspect of the game, some of these "claims" are the biggest joke I've seen in a while!

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Originally Posted by Adam Sunstrom

Disclaimer

Eventually parts of this article may become outdated with new balance changes. Remember that the best way to learn about the game is to observe top GvG games, and see what the highest level teams are currently running. Good luck making the transition from killing monsters to killing people.

Oh, and this, although has a shred of truth to it, ISN'T the best way for new players to get to know skills and usages... Asking questions, reading wiki's etc is the best way of learning for new players as no new player would have the first clue what they are watching in Obs mode!

Kuldebar Valiturus · Feb 27, 2007, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

My characterizations are based on nearly 2 and a half years of playing experience, along with the fact that there is no actually information in that article to back up what he's saying, just base statements.

Two and half years experience and all you can come up with are some really weak and meaningless objections to what he wrote.

-You dispute that using Mending isn't a longstanding joke...that the players are the joke for using Mending. <boggle>

-You object to the statement that "players aren't dumb" by stating that they are dumb because they need to learn tactics, which conversely means that most people that have PvPed for awhile will be experienced enough to know that stopping the enemy from rezzing is a good tactic. Thus, most opponents in PvP are going have more experience than the novice beginner.

-You underscore the fact that illusionary Weapons aren't a major player in PvP but still manage to be disagreeable when Adam S. says that it's "not a completely useless skill, it is mediocre at best"in PvP. You fault him for not completely delving into every reason why it isn't popular in PvP.

Nit picking and really weak nit picking at that! It's a one page article not a dissertation on all things PvP and non PvP related.

Tea Girl · Feb 27, 2007, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

hahahaha, best post so far!

Oh and does anyone else have a strong urge to punch the guy that wrote it in the face?

So, if you see this man:

Adam Sunstrom

in the street, in the pub, or you break into his house...

punch him in the face for me

Wow.... I am so amazed by your maturity. Dude, there is no need for personal attacks just because you disagree with him.

Shadowfox1125 · Feb 27, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

I just spent 1k on Mending. It better damn be the best skill in the game.

Wammo much?

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However, it has no place in PvP competition, and is actually a long-standing joke in the PvP community.

It's actually a joke among the PvE community too.

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Illusionary Weaponry – While not a completely useless skill, it is mediocre at best yet very popular amongst beginners.

I'm gonna disagree here. Let's ask some beginners where they can cap IW. Very few beginners use this and the ones that do, rarely use it efficiently.

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Special note: Each State of the Game article presents the opinions and insights of one game observer. These observations are personal in nature and do not reflect the opinions of ArenaNet. While ArenaNet does review each State of the Game article to assure that it offers content that is respectful of all players, we intend to allow our reporters the freedom to inject some personal opinion into descriptions of the current atmosphere of competitive play in Guild Wars, and to express views based on their experience and observation.

How about a group of veteran GW players collectively write each State of the Game article?

Deleet · Feb 27, 2007, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by TiNkLeR

I agree with Adam Sunstrom.

Solo builds , anyone?

People play PvE without solo builds? O_o

GourangaPizza · Feb 28, 2007, 09:45 AM // 09:45

Mending is good when you want to ridicule a wammo using it.

Dj Tano · Feb 28, 2007, 10:21 AM // 10:21

I highly disagree, the skill "mending refrain" combined with a shout or a chant is much more useful...